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Ryan Scores Lower Among GOP Insiders Than Biden With Democrats

California political activists from both sides said their candidate won in Thursday night's debate between Vice President Joe Biden and U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan. But Republicans came away less enthusiastic about their candidate's performance.

California partisans gave Thursday night's debate win to their candidate after an aggressive Joe Biden tried to make up political ground by sparring with Republican candidate Paul Ryan in the vice presidential debate in Kentucky.

Still, the level of happiness with Ryan's performance among Republicans failed to match that of Democrats with their candidate's, according to Patch's flash poll of influential California party members.

Vice President Biden took the offense against the GOP congressman, who responded in calm, wonky terms, giving voters a rare chance to see the two together on a national stage.

While 85 percent of the 13 Democrats taking the Patch survey said Biden won the debate by a wide margin, only 44 percent of the 18 California Republicans who returned the poll said the same.

Asked who the national media would judge as the winner, Democrats responded that 62 percent would give the win to Biden while only 5 percent of Republicans thought the same of their candidate.

GOP insiders were also asked if they agreed with the statement that Ryan's debate performance will increase the number of California votes for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Seventeen percent strongly agreed.

When the question was put to Democrats whether Biden's performance will increase California votes for Obama, 62 percent of the Democrats strongly agreed.

Republicans were critical of Biden's demeanor, with one chiding the vice president for his "disrespectful interruptions and derisive laughter" and another noting his "smirks and disrespectful chuckles."

For their part, California Democrats were clearly happy with the debate at Centre College in Danville, KY, but they were pointed in their comments contrasting Biden with that of the president's lackluster performance in the first presidential debate on Oct. 3. 

"Biden was a breath of fresh air - Obama should take note," said one Democrat. Another noted: "Obama needed this one and now it is in his camp."

Obama next meets Romney on Tuesday at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y. CNN political correspondent Cindy Crowley will moderate the town hall meeting.

Our surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population, but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders and elected officials in California. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions. 

Patch will be conducting Red California and Blue California surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of Republicans and Democrats on the ground in California. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a weekly surveys that lasts just a few minutes, please email Sandra Oshiro.

Brian Nails October 13, 2012 at 01:51 PM
Not surprising. In fact, from where I saw the debate (a large bar/restaurant), everyone was on their feet for the Vice President, so at leas to me, it is to be expected. I just feel that whether left or right, Congressman Ryan has at this point displayed such hypocrisy and such a mishandling of the truth that I fear him a profoundly negative example for everyone. Democrats and Republicans need to be able to live peacefully and work together - but we can't to that with politicians like him trying to play both sides, work the system, and lie to get as many votes as they can. It's really disheartening. The stimulus funds are a perfect example. As is in the debate when he admitted to the two letters he wrote the Vice President from Wisconsin, only after being called out. There were actually four. The moderator, kindly, offered him the chance to clear up confusion over the Romney "tax plan" - and he refused. Fatal error. Taxes are, essentially, what politicians plan to do with "your hard earned money". That is serious business for *any citizen. And he would not even elaborate on any specifics or offer any details on what their plan was? That is not okay. Now, do we even need to go into the fact that the congressmen voted *against American women being able to be paid at the same rate as American men for doing the same work? This is not American. It never was and it never will be. There is no "good" principle there. No integrity. And that does matter. A great deal.
Beth Stein October 13, 2012 at 03:40 PM
I disagree. I think rep Ryan showed a great deal of restraint in the face of VP's lack of statesmen-like behavior. He reminded me of a kid on the playground who wasn't getting his way--a bully with a sinister smile pasted on his face Kindness can turn aside wrath.
2MudDucks October 13, 2012 at 04:29 PM
This all will seem to be only a duststorm after this coming Tuesday's debate; but how important these two are within a possible 'twinkling of an eye' can not be unnoted.
Tea bags for Liberty October 13, 2012 at 06:42 PM
Biden loss on style points. Ryan needed tell him to shut his trap and respect his time to answer questions. Surveys in California don't matter. DEMONCATS have screwed this state with debt and pension obligations to Unions. They have no plan except to tax and spend even more...when rates go up....interest payments will take us down.
Steven Norwin October 13, 2012 at 08:54 PM
I agree Beth. VP Joe Biden has ill manners. You know the old saying, you can judge a man's character by how he treats others. I don't think to much of our VP.
DavethePragmatist October 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM
Manners? Manners? That is what you are focusing on? My how the change in the wind doth matter. So, Mr. Romney interrupting Mr. Lehrer time and time again was just fine I suppose. President Obama handling himself stately and not as a school yard bully as Romney was - obviously that is bad because he is a Democrat, but of course, if the shoe were on the other foot, you would have been fine. You are a perfect neo Republican - all on bluster, empty on specific plans. Let me tell you what is bad manners..in fact, what is mean, yes, downright mean. Pushing one's religious beliefs on to an entire electorate - that is mean. Pushing government into one's bedroom - that is evil. Do you want more ill manners? Pushing the poor even further down - not providing medical insurance for all - pushing seniors into a disasterous "coupon" war for health benefits. THAT is ill mannered, mean, and evil. And THAT is your Republican ticket.
DavethePragmatist October 13, 2012 at 11:01 PM
Well put. But we do know this - Biden has been one of the best "cross-the-aisle" politcians in the last 30 years - his record shows that. He has respect of the majority of reasonable politicians. Now contrast that with Ryan - an obstructionist in Congress who is not willing to negotiate at all (only all talk) - though he loves receiving welfare and stimulous money. Imagine him at the very top of the ticket and trying to actually work across the aisle - He is a war monger of the same Bush/Cheney ilk - except, not even as smart on foreign affairs as that pair. And ask him about details - ask him to open up on actual specific plans. See how he walks backwards when asked tough questions - note he really avoided saying what his true stance is on woman's health and abortion. He avoided it because he knows how talibanistic those ideas are - note his history and equating Social Security with a communist plan (or collectivism as he likes to call it). We should all be very afraid and terrified with Ryan at the top of the ticket...maybe even more scary than Palin.

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