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Dueling State Props 30 and 38 Look to Aid Public Schools

Voters have two similar but competing approaches to weigh in deciding whether to approve higher taxes to fund California schools. Tell us which one you prefer, if either, in our poll.

The biggest test is fast approaching for two ballot measures designed to help state schools by raising taxes, but it will be up to voters this November to decide which proposition will pass or fail.

Local school ballot measures in Marin are limited in the Nov. 6 election to Measure B, the Mill Valley School District's $196 parcel tax on top of the existing $731 parcel tax. One of the arguments for the Mill Valley parcel tax centers on ensuring local control and not depending on either Proposition 30 or 38 to pass in an effort to avoid cuts to core educational programs and retain quality teachers.

Propositions 30 and 38 have been the subject of much debate across California.

Prop. 30, backed by Gov. Jerry Brown, would raise the sales tax by one-quarter of one cent for four years while increasing personal income taxes for Californians who earn over $250,000 for seven years.

Those who support it, like the California Teachers’ Association, argue its failure would have a devastating impact on schools, including in Los Angeles, according to Frank Wells, spokesman for the California Teachers’ Association’s Santa Fe Springs office.

“Schools have already undergone massive cuts over the past several years leading to larger classes, thousands of layoffs, and a shortened school year in many places,” Wells said. Prop 30's failure would "mean a $236 million cut to LAUSD.”

Prop 38 has been primarily financed by Pasadena attorney Molly Munger. The proposal, supported by California PTA which worked with Munger on the measure, aims to increase personal income taxes using a sliding scale, with a single filer earning as little as $17,346 per year, for example, seeing higher taxes, according to the Legislative Analyst's Office.

Scott Folsom, vice president of the California PTA’s 10th District which covers Los Angeles County, said Prop 38 makes the most sense.

“It’s really the only initiative on the ballot that brings new funding to schools,” Folsom said. “The money Prop 38 raises is not disbursed by Sacramento. It’s decided at the local school site. The money goes directly to schools.”

However, the PTA’s official stance is it will not necessarily encourage Prop 38 supporters to vote against Prop 30, he said.

“The state PTA has looked at and decided to take no position on it,” Folsom said. “We’re asking our members to carefully look at Proposition 30 and make up your own mind.”

The PTA nonetheless sees some problems with Proposition 30.

“It doesn’t bring new money to the schools, and if it doesn’t pass, it reduces money,” Folsom said. “It doesn’t solve the problem schools are in now. If it fails, it cuts funding. It’s the reverse of bringing money to the schools.”

Prop 30 backers are playing hard ball. Supporters of Gov. Brown have started a committee called Stop the Middle Class Tax Hike - No on Prop. 38 to oppose the plan. For her part, Munger has funded a TV advertising campaign against Proposition 30, the San Jose Mercury News reported.

A “yes” vote on Prop 30 means “the new tax revenues would be available to fund programs in the state budget,” according to California's official Voter Information Guide. A "no" vote means state budget cuts, which would primarily impact education programs, would take effect in 2012 to 2013.

According to the guide, a "yes" vote on Prop 38 means personal income tax rates would guarantee new funding to restore budget cuts and improve educational results. A "no" vote would mean no additional revenue from the measure would be available for schools, child care, preschool, and state debt payments.

The Los Angeles Unified School District’s Board of Education voted to support both ballot initiatives, saying both measures would provide “urgently needed funding for public education,” according to the board's website.

LAUSD Board Member Steve Zimmer, who represents Board District Four, said the most important thing to remember over the next few weeks is who will be most impacted by the voters' decisions.

“For the next month, our children deserve for us to turn our attention towards the November ballot,” Zimmer said by email. “Every family touched by public education is impacted by the draconian cuts to our schools. The next 28 days offer us a rare opportunity to come together and work together on behalf of our children, their teachers and our school communities.”

If both propositions pass, the measure with the most "yes" votes would go into effect, according to the California Legislative Analyst's office.

To see more information on the major propositions up for vote in November, go to the MapLight voter guide.

Mark Schoenbaum October 11, 2012 at 02:44 PM
And both of them should be voted down. The state does not have a revenue problem, the state has a spending problem.
Roger October 11, 2012 at 07:36 PM
Mark, I see in PTA ads the our State ranks 47 in school funding, but at the top for state taxes. I wonder where we put the money instead of schools?
Jerome J Ghigliotti Jr October 11, 2012 at 11:10 PM
What no one wants to admit is that although all of the Prop 30 funds will go to schools, there is nothing to stop the legislature from withdrawing an equal amount of General Fund monies from the schools. That way, the Sacramento leftists have more tax money to play with for their social engineering and the schools will not have a penny more.
Jerome J Ghigliotti Jr October 11, 2012 at 11:17 PM
Funding K-12 education for illegal aliens (1/4 of the entire state school students), university level funding so that illegal aliens pay at a discounted rate, AFDC, Food Stamps, HUD benefits for illegal aliens, and workers compensation benefits for illegal aliens who do not have a right to work here. Listen in the grocery line; only Spanish is spoken there for welfare users. $51,000 per year to house illegal aliens in prison, plus medical payments to their victims. And illegal aliens vote for the welfare leftists. The Secretary of State (guess which party?) refuses to prosecute admitted illegal aliens who are registered to vote. Do you see a pattern here?
Rico October 12, 2012 at 01:05 AM
I am voting no on both propositions 30 and 38, as well as no on B in M.V. If governor Brown thinks that we need prop. 30 to fund the slow speed rail to nowhere, then, I say vote all new taxes down. That will in effect force Jerry's hand if 30 fails. If he insists on spending money on trains and diverting more water to southern California, while at the same time giving tens of millions to create "private healthcare insurance" exchanges, then he is on the wrong track. Let him try and give all this tax money to his special interest projects, and try and cut education and medical care options like single payer. What may (and hopefully) will happen is the citizens will revolt, and possibly a recall will be in order. What Jerry is trying to do is much, much worse than what Grey Davis did.
Dave Robertson October 23, 2012 at 08:55 AM
I just was in Europe and in particular noted that in Spain there were tons of fast trains - barely used - and more were being built right now! Of course they are about to totally default as a country on everything, but they still want more fast trains. You can tax and tax and tax - but it still will not get you anywhere if you spend the money in nonsense. California does not need a train from SF to LA. It will be mostly unused. Even if we did need it - we can't afford it. Prop 38 is a tax increase on most everyone in the state. Prop 30 is another way to single out what is perceived as wealthy and steal their money legally. Yes, steal. When 98% of the citizens vote on something that will take from only 2% of the population - it is stealing.
Jerome J Ghigliotti Jr October 24, 2012 at 02:27 AM
@Dave, sorry, but we do need a high speed train from San Francisco to Los Angeles. If you have ever taken the Amtrak Coast Starlight Express from the East Bay to Los Angeles you would have experienced the difference between air and train travel. For train travel you need not arrive two hours before your flight, need not be strip searched, and the trip is pleasant. I have used it both for business and pleasure travel trips. High speed rail would replace a significant portion of the north-south air travel in California, and trains consume a tiny fraction of the fuel that air travel does. CSX is currently advertising that its trains can ship a ton of freight 400 miles on a gallon of fuel. Passenger travel is not as economical of fuel, but it makes a huge difference. ... or, we could start drilling for oil in the ocean off San Francisco.
Dave Robertson October 24, 2012 at 05:01 AM
Jerome: I respect your work and views - but I beg to differ on this one. California is more than broke. When you are broke, you try to fix your expenses and balance sheet. Since California is almost maxed out on potential income sources, expenses are the only thing that must give. While a high speed train may be nice to have - it is indeed a luxury. California has more than it's share of luxuries. If you or I lived like California we would have gone bankrupt years ago. With regard to prop 30 and 38 - it is the desperation of California to get more money to spend (rather than to save or eliminate) that drives these initiatives. Perhaps we can get a train when this state can afford it. Clearly we cannot these days.
Jerome J Ghigliotti Jr October 24, 2012 at 06:01 AM
@Dave, I used to vote in favor of every education bill. I reject both this time around. First, Prop 30 is a Constitutional Amendment. I disapprove of messing around with the Constitution. Plus, the Prop 30 funds are escrowed, but there is NOTHING to prevent the legislature from removing General Fund monies from education, dollar-for-dollar matching the Prop 30 revenues. Therefore, not a penny more would go to education. In addition, the current social engineers are spending between 1/3rd and 1/2 of the education budget educating citizens of Mexico. Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Charity begins at home.
Tina McMillan October 27, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Karen Maloney post: "Specific Impacts on Novato public schools: Over the last five years NUSD has made budget cuts of over $12.5 million which resulted in: Reductions in teaching staff Reductions in classified staff – custodian, office manager, instructional aides, delivery driver, receptionist, library clerk, crafts worker Reductions in administrative positions - Supervisor of Maintenance and Operations, Supervisor of Information Technology, Director of Accountability, Executive Director of Instruction, Dean of Students Reduction of school site supplies Reduction of home to school transportation Restructuring of Special Education transportation Closure of a middle school Five years of a state level fiscal crisis have caused the State to withhold more than 22 percent of the funding owed to school districts. In anticipation of Proposition 30 passing, the State did not make additional cuts to public school revenue for the 2012/13 school year. If Proposition 30 fails in November, the state will cut NUSD’s revenue by over $3.3 million in January 2013. The state will allow school districts to negotiate a reduction in the school year by up to 20 days, down to 160 school days, in 2012-13 or 2013-14. This will be down from 180 days that had been the minimum until five years ago when the State allowed districts to cut five days to help manage significant cuts to their funding."
Tina McMillan October 27, 2012 at 10:08 PM
continued "If Proposition 30 fails, an on-going reduction of $3.3 million could result in : Higher class sizes Less than 180 days of instruction Furlough days for all employees Reduction in classroom cleaning Reduction in classroom technology Reduction in staff development Reduction of support personnel Elimination of programs Closure of a school Information on Proposition 38 will be sent out next week. Visit NUSD Budget Information for more information on Propositions 30 and 38. — Karen Maloney, NUSD Chief Financial Officer http://novato.patch.com/blog_posts/the-projected-impact-of-proposition-30-the-schools-and-local-public-safety-protection-act-of-2012 While I don't want this to be the case I am terrified that further cuts in funding to schools will destroy NUSD because we are already a low wealth district. I know the problems in Sacramento are outrageous but how will plan to protect school funding if we don't at least look at these two measures with the reality of their impact in our minds. I can easily say no to measure A because private citizens will always pony up for open space and parks but aside from parents, who do donate considerable time and money to public schools, who will stand by the children?
Bob Silvestri October 28, 2012 at 02:45 AM
Prop 30 and Unfunded Mandates. Things are not what they seem. http://millvalley.patch.com/blog_posts/prop-30-and-unfunded-state-mandates
Tina McMillan October 28, 2012 at 03:34 AM
Bob I read your link but need to better understand the impact of prop 30. How will it affect our community. Please tell me more about unfunded state mandates. With NUSD stating that any of the above events could occur and with schools supporting both Prop 30 and 38, what should someone who support public education understand about how all of this works?
Tina McMillan October 29, 2012 at 05:56 AM
Bob The link isn't working. Please repost. Thanks!

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