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Crosstown Traffic: Council Ponies Up for Study

Consultant will develop citywide guidelines for calming neighborhood traffic, with Sycamore Triangle up first.

The City Council decided Monday night to spend money on an issue that has plagued parts of Mill Valley for decades. In doing so, the city plans to tackle the worst battleground first.

The council voted to spend up to $30,000 for a consultant to develop citywide guidelines to calm traffic by March 2011. When those guidelines are finished, the Sycamore Triangle – the collection of neighborhoods bordered by E. Blithedale Ave, Miller Ave. and Camino Alto that have long been rife with concerns about cars and trucks cutting through them to get to a main thoroughfare – will be first up to bat.

Several councilmembers said they were reticent to spend more money to study an issue that the city has thrown money at several times over the years.

"I felt a little caught by surprise tonight," said Councilman Andrew Berman of the public's reaction to the matter. "People are darn upset that we keep hiring consultants and they want to know where their money's going."

But the council agreed that the money would be well spent if consultant David Parisi could establish guidelines for dealing with neighborhood traffic issues. Such guidelines, the council said, will avoid the "traffic wars" of years past, whereby residents of certain streets were pitted against one another in a debate when traffic calming measures on one street would simply move the problem to a nearby roadway.

"If we can get to a place where we have citywide guidelines and criteria and goals, so that we can take the traffic wars and the sad history and acrimony and the politics and put it away, rock on," said Councilwoman Shawn Marshall, who said her grandmother was in the middle of similar battles in those neighborhoods in 1965, when Marshall was 4 years old.

Several residents urged the city to avoid creating conditions that have caused intra-triangle squabbling over the years.

"It just shifts the traffic from one street in the triangle to the next, which pits neighbor against neighbor and sets up a very ugly process full of animosity," said Michael Kirsch, president of the Tamalpais Park Neighborhood Association.

"We dealt with the competition in 2007 at a meeting when it was very apparent that the traffic wars were still going on," said Liz Specht of Nelson Avenue. "As we look ahead, we need to realize that we've got a sad history behind us."

Mike Moore, the city's building and planning director, said the guidelines would create a system whereby a resident's request for a speed bump on his street wouldn't move forward without extensive community input.

"Most success traffic calming programs of the last decade are community driven," Parisi said. "That will probably take the form of a vote."

Some objected to making the Sycamore Triangle the pilot project of the guidelines once they are developed.

"The triangle is probably the most complex," Michael Kirsch said. "Why not pick an easier neighborhood problem?"

Berman pointed out the need for a business presence on the ad hoc committee of residents and city staff that will work with Parisi in developing the guidelines. Berman said steady complaints of trucks using the triangle as a thoroughfare made it necessary to get input from the business community.

Ryan Ave resident Susan Kirsch urged the council to continue working with the various neighborhood associations within the triangle and throughout the city to stay on top of the issue.

"But it feels like we've made a huge amount of progress just by the fact that we can sit in this room and not scream at each other," she said.

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Erma Murphy May 23, 2013 at 11:57 am
Well said Larry!
Larry the Hat Lautzker May 23, 2013 at 09:22 am
Every year we get a handful of folks who complain about something they don't like about the parade.Read More In this case, I could take a great deal of time to explain that most veterans go to the Civic Center or Presidio for a more tradition Memorial Day event. Fortunately or however by design, Mill Valley is NOT stuck in tradition. If I may speak as a community (as I see it), we all in our own way celebrate Memorial Day. I don't believe anyone takes for granted our Grand Parents, Fathers, Sons or Daughters who gave their lives so we could grow up in a better world filled with love, compassion and protecting our right to live in a free society. So we Celebrate Mill Valley on Memorial Day, ever mindful of our countries history. We celebrate in our own way. With a great Pancake breakfast that benefits the Volunteer Fire Dept. Then we go the Parade where all sorts and sizes of floats, people and organizations get to strut their stuff, ever reminding us how blessed we are to live in this great little town. Next the celebration continues, it's off to the KIDDO Carnival and Concert on the Green at the Community Center (one of the finest in the Nation) that benefits Music, Art and many other PUBLIC school programs. We inherited the right to celebrate Memorial Day consistent (I believe)with what our forefathers envisioned and fought for. A healthy and free society, where people work and play together to make our cities, towns, country and world a better place. Imagine a world where there are NO war veterans, I like the sound of a world filled with Peace veterans. That's what Memorial Day is for me and in Mill Valley we have a Great Party. Hope to see you there! Larry the Hat, Head Honcho 'I Love a Parade Committee' PS. Anyone can apply to be in the Parade or reach out to the I Love a Parade Committee to bring to light their concerns and hopefully with constructive ideas (not just complaining). If that's not enough, have your own entry that reflects what you want to happen in the parade. If you think complaining makes a difference, You are FREE to do that.
Erma Murphy May 22, 2013 at 02:17 pm
I spoke with the parade director Larry the Hat, and he confirmed that there will a be traditionalRead More color guard made up from local veterans from local American Legion Posts in the parade. We will take time to recognize the veterans who have sacrifice to keep our democracy safe.
Old Mill Park on Saturday afternoon
Thrasy Bulus May 21, 2013 at 01:33 pm
I've also noticed large numbers of people out and about enjoying the warm weather.
Rico May 23, 2013 at 04:55 pm
Reply to ScottRAB, There were never any traffic signals or STOP signs at that intersection, thatRead More intersection does not warrant any such control. Actually for traffic using Molino going to Old Mill, there is no delay with the circle, but traffic coming down from Molino to Cascade Dr. and from Cascade to Old Mill there is a delay and I doubt anyone pays any attention to the painted circle anyway, but the new painted crosswalk on Old Mill is a good idea, and so is the new Yield sign on Cascade Dr. Those 2 things are all that is really needed. Note that the Yield sign is a regulatory sign, and the other circle sign is only an advisory sign. According to the M.U.T.C.D, shall, should and may are the basic description of the classes of signs. A regulatory sign is mandatory or shall, like a STOP or a YIELD sign and is red and black, a warning sign or should sign is black on yellow, like when you see an arrow with a 25, that means it is not illegal to go faster than 25 mph but it is advised. Then you have guide signs (black on white) like the circle sign which are guide signs, so that sign means nothing if a motorist disregards it, which most all people do anyway. Mill Valley is not a big congested city in Europe, and that intersection is not even in a high volume-high speed location such as other intersections in town. Sorry for the above 2 posts, when posting on the Patch I have to remember never to hit the enter button, no more paragraphs. Perhaps this is to discourage long posts, and by the way, a question to the Patch editors, is there a limit to the number of characters when posting on the new Patch ?
Rico May 23, 2013 at 04:21 pm
Reply to ScottRAB,
Rico May 23, 2013 at 04:20 pm
Reply to ScottRAB.
Rico May 15, 2013 at 05:16 pm
I guess I can't hit the enter button because that submits the post so from now on (until they fixRead More the problem), all of my posts will be one paragraph. What Angelina did was her choice, based on the multi-billion dollar per cancer industry, and by the people that like do unnecessary surgeries to line their pockets. Ask one of those male doctors if he is willing to have his testicles removed "just in case" he might get testicular cancer in the future. I'll bet that they would laugh at anyone who proposed that question. There are many ways that people can take care of their bodies to prevent cancer, like taking vitamin D, magnesium, selenium, turmeric and many more anti-inflammatory herbs. Also diet and environmental factors play a role in the pre-disposition to get cancer. In most cases, genes only play about a 5% role in a chance of inheriting or contracting cancer. But this big business of cancer research doesn't want hear about anything else besides expensive pharmaceutical drugs and surgery, anything else would threaten their business model. This post is a test of the new Patch commenting system.
Rico May 15, 2013 at 04:55 pm
Yes, and she also announced that she is considering having her ovaries removed also.